Trump says 'it doesn't matter' if he asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden
Sept. 20, 2019
WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump said Friday it "doesn't matter" if he asked the government of Ukraine to investigate Democratic opponent Joe Biden and that it should be done anyway.
"Someone ought to look into Joe Biden," Trump told reporters while declining to discuss investigations into whether he and aides are pressuring Ukraine to investigate one his most prominent political opponents.
That question is the subject of an ongoing congressional investigation and, reportedly, the still-secret complaint of a whistleblower in the intelligence community.
Trump said he doesn't know who the whistleblower is, but described him or her as "partisan." The president also said his conversations with world leaders are “always appropriate, at the highest level always appropriate.”
Asked whether he discussed Biden in this conversation, Trump said: "It doesn’t matter what I discussed."
As Democrats look at allegations that Trump and aides are pressuring Ukraine into helping the president's re-election bid, they are also seeking details of a still-secret complaint by an unnamed intelligence official regarding the president's talks with foreign leaders.
"We're determined to do everything we can to determine what this urgent concern is," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Cal., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
Trump has denied wrongdoing in his interactions with foreign leaders, and described various allegations as "harassment" by political opponents.
Meanwhile, the Ukraine government announced that its president, Volodymyr Zelensky, will meet with Trump next week at the United Nations.
Trump's relationship with Zelensky – including a July 25 phone conversation – is the subject of a congressional investigation, and perhaps part of the whistleblower complaint as well.
The Washington Post , citing unnamed people familiar with the matter, reported that "a whistleblower complaint about President Trump made by an intelligence official centers on Ukraine." The New York Times said that "at least part of the allegation deals with Ukraine, two people familiar with it said."
Congressional Democrats said they don't know what is in the whistleblower complaint because the Trump administration is preventing then from seeing it. Trump administration officials have declined to discuss the allegations publicly.
Earlier this month, Schiff and two other Democratic House committee chairs asked the administration for a transcript of the Trump-Zelensky call, and other records related to Ukraine. In a letter to administration attorneys, lawmakers referenced news reports that Trump or his allies are urging Ukraine to investigate the business dealings of Biden's son Hunter.
The Democrats said they want to review "reported efforts by President Trump, the President’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and possibly others to pressure the government of Ukraine to assist the President’s reelection campaign."
They added that "a growing public record" indicates that Trump and Giuliani "appear to have acted outside legitimate law enforcement and diplomatic channels to coerce the Ukrainian government into pursuing two politically-motivated investigations under the guise of anti-corruption activity."
Giuliani has said he doesn't know if the still-secret whistleblower complaint involves Ukraine, but it would be entirely appropriate for Trump to ask Ukraine to root out corruption.
"A President telling a Pres-elect of a well known corrupt country he better investigate corruption that affects US is doing his job," Giuliani tweeted. "Maybe if Obama did that the Biden Family wouldn’t have bilked millions from Ukraine and billions from China; being covered up by a Corrupt Media."
In a summary of the July phone call with its president, the Ukraine government said Trump expressed a desire for a "complete investigation of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA."
In addition to the existing Ukraine probe, the House Intelligence Community is seeking to learn the details of the whistleblower complaint. On Thursday, it met behind closed doors with the inspector general of the intelligence community.
Schiff said the inspector general believes the allegation is serious enough to warrant transmission to Congress. But the release is being blocked by acting national intelligence director Joseph Maguire, who is scheduled to testify before the Intelligence Committee next week.
Schiff said others in the administration are also trying to hide the complaint against Trump.
"We do know that the Department of Justice has been involved in the decision to withhold that information from Congress," Schiff said. "We do not know, because we cannot get an answer to the question about whether the White House is also involved in preventing this information from coming to Congress.
"There is no privilege that covers whether the White House is involved in trying to stifle whistleblower complaints," Schiff said.